Londongirl
- 2014-09-15
CT, you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a classroom for the views you have expressed here. I truly pity anybody unlucky enough to end up in your classroom.
How somebody who professes to 'stand up for the students' as Turnoi claims, can associate and defend your teaching skills when you post such awful things is honestly beyond me.
Go ahead Turnoi, show this thread in it's chronological entirety to your 'peers'. If you honestly think they will be more impressed by you twisting, turning, contradicting yourself, defending the skills of people like CT with his views as expressed in his previous post, all the time attempting to distract by either insulting me, admitting your bias, changing the goalposts every time you are refuted and constantly repeating your warcry of fake poster, than they would by somebody who has remained on point and championed the rights of each student to receive good quality education no matter where they are, then your 'peers' are as misguided as you are.
You say that because I didn't work in a university in China (a most illogical place for somebody who enjoys teaching the under-16s to work) means I cannot teach at your level, despite teaching CAE and proficiency to those YL students and also to adults in my adult classes. This is not the case. I chose to work in a TC because I feel that all students are deserving of a good teacher, not somebody like CT who thinks it's acceptable to teach whilst drunk so long as they have breath mints... If more decent and qualified teachers worked at TCs in China, they wouldn't be able to get away with half of what they do. But you cannot discuss this topic in a rational or considered manner as you have happily and proudly admitted your bias on the subject. So that's the end of that one.
I've never asked anyone to post anything for me, I'm more than capable of standing up to you on my own... Also, considering you were wrong about me being this fabled multi-aliased poster, who's to say you're not wrong more often? Just because somebody doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean they're the same person!
You and I can agree on one thing: this is a total waste of time. All this board is is a place for you to trot out your own rhetoric and get validation from people like CT and poison poor, inexperienced teachers who don't know better. You don't care about the students, all you care about is your own vendetta against people you deem to be 'low lives'... All the while defending the skill of teachers like CT who care so little for their students, they think drunk teaching is acceptable. Shame on you, Turnoi. Shame on you.
Concerned Teacher
- 2014-09-15
No, no. I realise that. And it is exactly my problem with you. Teaching should not be about doing the bare minimum for an easy life. It should be about working hard to provide the best education you possibly can for your students.
GW talk. When countries live up to their own standards, then yes. But in China laziness and mediocrity in education in the public sector IS acceptable, as the americans say, it is what it is. Of course I would not be able to get away with that when teaching in the middle east, but I think I already mentioned that. China is a good place to take a rest, and have a nice easy teaching job, while eating and drinking cheaply. No question, and if me, silverboy or any other western male chooses to enjoy that, why does it irk you so much? Turnoi has also explained how the public places operate, but you choose not to listen.
What they do in their free time is up to them, no question. But when they admit to doing the bare minimum for their classes because what they do in their free time is their reason for teaching in the first place, then it is a problem for me.
A problem for you? What are you a UN ambassador or something? Just mind your own business, why do you care so much what people you have never even met DO?! the mind boggles...
I worked with a teacher who once turned up to work in the same clothes he had left the school in the night before, reeking of booze having gone directly to a brothel after finishing his class and staying there all night.
Well yes, that is unprofessional, but only at a crappy corporate TC. In a public job, I have smelt baijiu on chinese male teachers breath, they smell of BO (through not using anti perspirant/deodorant and decent shower gel), and generally wear clothes that don't get washed too much or very well, fabric conditioner seems to be a new concept. As long as this teachers clothes did not smell, I do not see a problem, if he was too drunk to teach then I suppose that is a problem, but he could have used mints to mask his breath or gone home and showered first. You mention the brothel part specifically, I feel it is that which angers you the most. An even older profession than teaching by the way.
I don't think he deserved to be fired, it just seems you enjoyed the power you had and liked to wield it, especially over a western man.
The same cannot be said for the types of men who use teaching as a means of funding their extended sex tours of China.
Now we get to the crux of the matter...I suppose you would still grumble even in Thailand. If western men want to bonk asian prostitutes why do you care so much? In Shenzhen it is well known that there are girlie streets, and western men and chinese men alike go there.
As for the students deserving "my best", they deserve to do as they are told, but then I am from a valedictorian era of teaching. Children should be seen and not heard.
Londongirl
- 2014-09-14
No, no. I realise that. And it is exactly my problem with you. Teaching should not be about doing the bare minimum for an easy life. It should be about working hard to provide the best education you possibly can for your students. The fact you view it as an easy option in which to coast through to an easy life is precisely my problem with your attitude towards teaching.LG does not realize that many older FT's ( over 40 ) do not want to come to China to work hard with long hours. Basically they are there for an easier life compared to back home.
What they do in their free time is up to them, no question. But when they admit to doing the bare minimum for their classes because what they do in their free time is their reason for teaching in the first place, then it is a problem for me.
I worked with a teacher who once turned up to work in the same clothes he had left the school in the night before, reeking of booze having gone directly to a brothel after finishing his class and staying there all night. I sent him home, covered his class myself (it was my day off, I'd gone in to the office to collect a textbook) and after made sure he was fired. His reasons for teaching were that he was a native speaker and needed a visa to stay in China to continue getting drunk and paying for Chinese girls to sleep with him. Much the same attitude as you describe in the last paragraph of your post.
My problem with these types is that the education of their students is not their first priority, sometimes it's not even a priority at all, and I believe if you are a teacher it damn well should be. I go out and enjoy my free time with my friends, but if I'm teaching the next day I won't be out drinking the night before. The same cannot be said for the types of men who use teaching as a means of funding their extended sex tours of China.
By all means sow your oats with the locals, but make sure you are giving your best to your students too.