Yes sorry ,Turnoi I got carried away and forgot about the substance of your actual post.

If the other poster who 'hates his own kind' has some big and serious emotional damage, which you imply, we really should make allowances for him-don't you think? Anyway supposing your own kind were German's in 1939? Well, I rather think that if you hated all they stood for you'd be justified. Dragonized hasn't said he hates the Chinese; and please correct me if I'm wrong; no, (and we should ask him)he says he hates what they stand for. Now am I right? Now, we might argue with him about the extent that he hates what they stand for, and that is open for debate. We can't, we shouldn't believe people who see things differently are twisted. I personally see you as far from twisted but I disagree with most of your points of view regarding, China, its women, and ESL.