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#1 Parent Dr. Paul - 2015-04-28
Re: New Times International Sichuan Chengdu

Irene is a liar, cheat, thief, and a professional con artist. Please ask any teacher working there.... (2015).

#2 Parent Chengdu CT - 2010-02-19
Re: New Times International Sichuan Chengdu

Very fair post!

I have never heard of Irene shorting people on cash. She is also usually pretty good at getting visas sorted out.

But you will spend a lot of time running around. Anyone considering working for New Times should seriously consider the comments of the last poster. They are a fair and accurate.

Also what you say about working privately is very true. It is not that steady and Holidays can be a pain because your clients will cancel for two weeks.

As for better places to work in Chengdu that would be most places. There are several places that are worse; Sunny's English and North American ESL are two of them. More or less the same thing as New Times but with dodgier management. Meten/Metro is another place to avoid. Really bad management no budget for markers or paper for the photocopier, but flat screens in all classrooms.

Watch out for the university and high school jobs. Most of them don't pay for July and August. Also watch out for Sichuan Normal, they have a habit of screwing up visas. They can be good gigs if you want a lot of free time.

#3 Parent Devil's Advocate - 2010-02-15
Re: New Times International Sichuan Chengdu

Yes, I would agree with parts of the previous posts. I worked for Irene in 2006-2007. She really tried to get the most out of you in a very obvious way, and she would send us teachers to a variety of places for work, sometimes an hour away. Guanghan was the worst. But she ended up losing that contract, from what I remember. The commute was so long that a few times we were actually late due to accidents and weather, and they didn't like that. On the upside it was interesting to see what it was like in smalltown China (it sucks).

Anyways, at first it was really annoying, but after some soft persuasion on Irene and crappy teaching I was able to get out of the less desirable gigs and into a consistent job teaching at Shude for most of the week. Oh, I should say how I got out of teaching little kids too... the factory-owning nouveau-riche parents don't like it when a foreigner disciplines their brat kids, it seems. So the parents complained and I was replaced haha. That was unplanned, to be sure, but it is helpful advice.

That being said, I usually worked 15 hours a week, and I don't think I ever went past 24 or below 8. Irene just didn't have enough work for us. I would say it would be around 60-70 RMB an hour of work that I was doing. I made sure to keep tabs on that stuff. Given the commute times, I would say that I spent 20 hours on average doing school related travel or work. One complaint was that it was spread out over six days (I had one day off). And during the Moto training session we spent more time commuting and working (going up to 30 hours a week spent doing work and travel), but that was only two months, I believe. I remember this in particular because it took time away from my application prep for grad school... spent typing up essays in smoky wangbas haha. Also, someone claimed that you don't get breaks... this isn't true. We got off the national holidays, just like all the nongmin in the country.

Don't forget too, that it isn't hard at all to do private tutoring on the side. I did this and made some easy money. The tradeoff with doing freelance work, as my friend at New Times started doing when he and Irene got into a spat and he quit (or was fired) is that it can be inconsistent in coming. Having the steady income was good (Irene didn't gip me), as I observed when my friend was a little dry on cashflow at times. Plus, he was teaching at random places in a manner just like we did at New Times, of course for more. And he did get some golden eggs too, but these were few and far in between. I don't know exactly how the other ESL schools were, except for a few people that taught at the Golden Apple preschool (They were paid more, but they have to deal with little kids all the time).

I was worried about what to expect when I first arrived, but I was happy to meet a few long term expats from the US and Canada that would have helped me out if I was being cheated by Irene. They had good relations with her, it seemed. I was also warned by a "true Christian" teacher who was leaving New Times about Irene's pushy ways. I say true Christian because he was one of the few missionaries I met that actually represented what I consider true Christian values (modest and friendly, didn't drink, had a family with his American wife), and wasn't their explicitly to convert to get bonus points with the man upstairs. He led by example, is what I want to say... Just my 2 cents.

Irene did send me, on my agreement, to some places in other provinces to do some work for an agricultural business. It was an interesting opportunity to travel. I think some of my coworkers were even a bit jealous. Haha.

Another thing I want to say is that I broke my contract and left about 3 weeks before I was supposed to... I was worried she was going to renege on paying my security holdings of 1000 RMB per month that was being held to prevent teachers from leaving and going to other ESL schools. She did pay me in the end, after some tense conversation, so I have to say she honored her end of the bargain.

She is a business person, so you have to be firm and know your bargaining position. I think the bottom-of-the-barrel teachers that are in China know how the game works, so they don't give a shit about professionalism or showing up hungover as long as they are in class on time. They also know they can easily jump to another province and get another teaching job with no problem. As an ESL teacher you are an asset, and you must know that she makes money off of you, and has invested some effort and money with the visa process, and in turn doesn't want you to quit. Unless you plan on staying in the province (since Irene most likely did the paperwork for the work visa in Sichuan) you are in a decent position to get concessions from her. If you plan on staying in the province she may be able to prevent you from easily working at a local school, especially one where you worked under New Times, by throwing a wrench in your visa renewal process.

Perhaps some people here will know who I am, and I hope they agree with my assessment. The grass is always greener on the other side. I hope any potential ESL teachers will learn from this.

In the end I still wouldn't endorse New Times, but I'm not sure if there are better options in Chengdu.

#4 Parent Chengdu FT - 2009-12-23
Re: New Times International Sichuan Chengdu

Hello all,

30-40 per hour is what it works out to if you sign a contract. If you freelance for Irene it is usually a 100 per hour.

Guess what? I actually worked for her in 1999 for a short while and that is what I got paid then 100 an hour!

Actually a 100 an hour wasn't too bad 10 YEARS AGO!

In general Chengdu has suffered from serious wage stagnation or even deflation over the last couple of years

#5 Parent Wish I had read this earlier - 2009-12-23
Re: New Times International Sichuan Chengdu

I wish I had done my homework earlier and had read this post. It would have saved me some trouble. I just left New Times International right before Christmas 2009.
What a bad mistake I made working for them. This is not a school but rather an ESL teacher recruiter. You're much better off working for the schools or University's directly.
Also expect to get deductions for "utilities" which can end up reducing your pay to 4000 Rmb. Add in extensive travel to various schools in a 200 mile radius and all paid for by .....you. Still, bus fares are cheap in Chengdu but it can add up if you're bouncing from school to school on a daily basis. And the time consumed by traveling all over a 200 mile radius can turn a 25 hour workweek into 40. Expect to get cheated on overtime hours if you agree to work them.

The contract is for 4500 RMB. per month. But the contract states 25 working hours per week. Many months consist of 5 weeks right? 25 X 5 = 125 hours. 4000 RMB divided by 125 hours = 32 RMB per working hour. The year end travel bonus of 6000 RMB for flying back home, is one of the lowest compensations in all of China. It doesn't come close to paying for the airfare if you come from Canada, the Unites States, or Latin America.
The owner will make you lots of promises before hiring you but when they never come to fruition, she'll deny ever making them.
Some of the foreign teachers working for New Times are good educators but many have been scrapped from the bottom of the barrel. Either way, it's not a good resume enhancement to work for New Times International Training Center in Chengdu. The post from whomever said it's total "Monkey work" was precisely correct. LOL I guess that makes me a monkey's uncle. Lesson learned.
If you're a competant ESL teacher and care about education, New Times International Training Center in Chengdu should be avoided at all costs.

#6 Parent Monitor - 2009-11-06
Re: New Times International Sichuan Chengdu

When you finally realise you're getting about 30-40 RMB per hour, it's too late.

Basement wages, indeed! And is that the rate for white FT's?
I'd heard that disreputable Chinese employers only dared to offer lousy pay like that to overseas-born Chinese, or to Africans, or to Fipinos/Filipinas.

If you do decide to work for New Times International in Chengdu, expect to kick yourself hard in the butt later.

Make that very, very hard!

#7 Parent Tired of Extortion methods - 2009-11-06
Re: New Times International Sichuan Chengdu

I second the warning. New Times International in Chengdu is a bad deal all around. The company plays middleman to various schools, Universities and even factories. Of course, in most cases, the middleman gets the lion's share of the wealth and you get the lion's share of the work.
When you finally realise you're getting about 30-40 RMB per hour, it's too late. If you try to leave, the owner (Irene) will use extortion tactics to hold you. If you persist in leaving her employment, she'll try to ruin your reputation and possibly accuse you of religious proselytizing. (Which can get you banned from China)
If you do decide to work for New Times International in Chengdu, expect to kick yourself hard in the butt later. You were warned.

Chengdu FT - 2009-08-21
New Times International Sichuan Chengdu

They just recently posted an ad looking for a teacher.

They are more of a middle man than a "school."

I worked for them briefly part time back in 1999. They paid a 100 an hour back then and still pay a 100 an hour today.

Salary and wages at this place are extremely low.
Any other crappy (Web, Meten/Metro, or NDI) training school would provide you with a better deal than they are offering. Please note that I'm not recommending any of those places either. Hell, EF would probably be better!

I have known several people that have worked for them over the last four years.
The majority of their classes are contracts that they hold with local schools. You will be teaching at random public schools (usually a different one every day. Mostly junior high school, some senior high, and some primary schools. That means you will have a class of about 50 students and you will see them once a week for 45 minutes. Generally no grades, no discipline, and an unuseable text.
TOTAL MONKEY WORK

Some of the contracts that she has are way outside of town, like two hours away.
I new some one that was working for her (the school is run by Irene)and he quit because he wasn't getting paid back for bus fare to and from the school (that was about 50RMB a week. When they discussed the deal she initially agreed to give him a travel allowance.

The company does have a number of corporate accounts, but those are starting to dry up. The market is becoming more specialized and her contracts are being picked off slowly by a various competitors. So don't expect to be doing real business English teaching there.

In short most of the work is monkey work for really low wages/salary. She hires part time and full time.

If she holds your visa you can expect a fair amount of commute around town, and on occasion out of town, and you can't do jack about it.

If you kiss ass, she will give you the more "choice" assignments.

On the positive side.
She is always looking for teachers.
Mostly pays on time, and pays what is agreed upon.
She can get visas with out much problem (but then she owns your butt)!!!

Any other "real training school" (and as silverboy says, "they are all crap anyways") in chengdu pays a base of at least 6,000 up to 10,000

Public schools pay from 3500 to 4000 with housing. Low, but at least you have the long breaks holidays.

KEEP LOOKING

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