Well then your not going to get very many teachers to work for you in the future then, and thats a good thing. Please, do keep the same name, then everyone will know to avoid you.

As for those numbers you say you can provide, I am sure you have gotten lucky and placed a few people in decent schools, when you could control yourself long enough to keep a level head, and not become to crazy. However, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Mandy's email changed quite a bit, but keep a look out for her methods. She won't change it now, because it would in her mind prove us right about her, but be vigilant in the future, scumbag recruiters don't take a rest, so you can't either.

If you are not lied,, why dont u proved yourself, i have passed Chat note between us online to proved you are a biggest liar, how do u proved? show everyone, and not everyone stupid like you, will belive something you just wrote, and does not has anything to proved, the things you said is truth,,hehe

I seem to recall I had a short correspondence with Lynn during the Spring Festival break last year. She seemed to be very keen to offer me a job but after I began to ask pertinent questions about the school, ex FT's, Z visas etc she suddenly ceased emailing me. Her silence said more than she could ever know.
The moral of the stories being told here is quite simple. DO NOT TRUST ANY RECRUITERS. They are money grabbing SCUM.
Has anyone ever seen or heard a FT recommend one?

Hi~~ this will prove, the job i sent him to go, its a good school and good offer, even himself said, cuase of his personality, he was rude to school, and he get fired.
this is not agency's fult

Kenjutsu Kensei (2007-12-27 16:09:53): Can you find out right now if they will pay more? Even public middle schools will pay 5,000 for 16 classes
Kenjutsu Kensei (2007-12-27 16:10:07): If they will pay a bit more I'd start tomorrow.
Kenjutsu Kensei (2007-12-27 16:11:10): Do you ntihnk this is good pay for this college?
Kenjutsu Kensei (2007-12-27 16:11:12): think
Mandy (2007-12-27 16:11:27): on the phone
Kenjutsu Kensei (2007-12-27 16:17:48): I remember the job you found me that got me to come to wuhan, now that was a good job, 5,500 for 16 lessons a week, two apartments, everything paid for, very nice.
Mandy (2007-12-27 16:18:11): yes
Mandy (2007-12-27 16:18:17): but things did not work out
Kenjutsu Kensei (2007-12-27 16:18:24): That was maybe my fault though. I remember I was very tired and very touchy, and gave a bad first impression
Kenjutsu Kensei (2007-12-27 16:18:51): that was when I left my previous job and they cheated me, so I was not so trusting or in a good mood

Look at this, now I will show everyone why he got fired!!! he has personality problem.

Kenjutsu Kensei (2007-12-27 16:30:03): You sure they will hire me without a dgeree, I know I can do the job easily enough, but I dont know what the require
Kenjutsu Kensei (2007-12-27 16:30:08): degree
Mandy (2007-12-27 16:30:46): i am not sure
Mandy (2007-12-27 16:30:54): i need send your doc. to them
Kenjutsu Kensei (2007-12-27 16:31:19): isnt this what got me into trouble before, the school you got me hired at did not know I didn;t have a degree
Mandy (2007-12-27 16:31:31): no
Mandy (2007-12-27 16:31:35): the one i sent u to go
Kenjutsu Kensei (2007-12-27 16:31:40): well thats what they said to me
Mandy (2007-12-27 16:31:52): cause, the teacher went to your apartment and want take you to office to sign the contract, and before they came to your apartment without give u a call
Mandy (2007-12-27 16:32:00): and you got very upset
Kenjutsu Kensei (2007-12-27 16:32:05): oh my
Kenjutsu Kensei (2007-12-27 16:32:10): and thats what lost me the job, good lord
Kenjutsu Kensei (2007-12-27 16:32:18): now that person was touchy
Kenjutsu Kensei (2007-12-27 16:32:24): Talk about sensitive
Mandy (2007-12-27 16:32:33): and u were very surly to her
Mandy (2007-12-27 16:32:42): she told me that they dont want u anymore
Kenjutsu Kensei (2007-12-27 16:32:45): I had been on a train for like 37 hours
Kenjutsu Kensei (2007-12-27 16:33:01): with no sleep, show me someone who is not surly after 37 hours on a train
Mandy (2007-12-27 16:33:14): i understand
Kenjutsu Kensei (2007-12-27 16:33:33): yeah well I wish you could have explained that to them
Mandy (2007-12-27 16:33:38): sometime, school doesnt take that reason.
Mandy (2007-12-27 16:33:53): I tried very hard on speaking for you though.
Kenjutsu Kensei (2007-12-27 16:34:02): you mean dont think about people, I mean hey, put yourself in my shoes
Mandy (2007-12-27 16:34:13): they dont listen to me
Kenjutsu Kensei (2007-12-27 16:34:33): I spent close to 2 days on a train, I'm starting to unpack, and the woman just lets herself into the apartment with another teacher
Mandy (2007-12-27 16:34:51):oh
Kenjutsu Kensei (2007-12-27 16:34:55): yes well I was surly, I admit, I have learned a lot since then .
Kenjutsu Kensei (2007-12-27 16:35:24): in fact it hasnt, not spending 37 hours on a train helps

Like others have already said, avoid these folks. You have posts like this to look forward to if you do not play ball it seems.

Thanks for that advice, i have no idea who any of you are but by reading the "chat note" im sure i can tell who the nutcase is. i think i have seen the name esl sunny while searching for jobs and i will be sure to steer clear from that!

Ok, there is other chat note,, you said, you were the one wrote bad about me on website, How do you know Lynn,, get already, Lynn and I will sue you in the court, i have everything has been prove, every one can see, you were the one asking about fake degree, and i dont want to do.. thats why, there is more thing, i want to show, you were refuse to accept, that were u post message on this website,,

eveyone,,please have a look

Mandy (2008-1-9 10:45:18): thanks for your post on the website
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:45:20): i saw it
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:45:24): thanks a lots
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-9 10:45:27): Post?
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:45:31): i have been talked all of my teachers
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-9 10:45:35): what website?
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:45:41): and they will go on the website
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:45:46): do u want me to show you
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-9 10:46:00): mandy I have posted nothing about you on any website
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:46:54): http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=8959
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:46:58): look over this
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:47:09): one of my teacher show me that
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:47:16): and all of my teachers know me very good
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:47:22): this game is not works with me
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:47:23): ok
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:48:06): there will be lots of foreign teachers will go on the website to advocacy with me
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:48:11): thanks for that
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:48:16): by the way
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:48:27): i have all chat note between us
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:48:35): and i will post this on the website too
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:49:01): i dont like doing something bad for any one
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:49:29): but you are not a nice person, and i will tell all school i have
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:49:49): whats kind of person are u
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:50:29): oh,, there is a teacher was working in wuhan the same school i sent u to a year ago
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:50:52): and he will go on the website and tell evey one, the school i sent you to, is a very good school
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:50:55): not like you says
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:51:03): you are bullshit
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-9 10:55:13): What are you talking about?
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-9 10:55:17): Are you on drugs?
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:55:25): u know, Brian
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:55:36): in Wuhan city, i only sent two teachers over there
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:55:48): one is you, other one is name call Paul
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:55:56): the both of you went to same school
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-9 10:56:04): Mandy I have no idea what you are talking about
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-9 10:56:10): Like I said,
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:56:16): and he in Canada now
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-9 10:56:22): I read about you on that site, and others, thats all
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:56:23): and i talked with him already
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-9 10:56:30): Good for you
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-9 10:56:36): why are you telling me this?
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:56:44): he will come out and advocacy with me
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:56:52): look on the website
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-9 10:56:55): Good, why are you telling me this?
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:56:56): what did u says about me
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:57:03): u like play game
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:57:08): i will play game with you
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:57:09): ok
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-9 10:57:17): Mandy If I had written anything about you I sure would not tell you about it and then ask for your help, use your head.
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:57:22): i will call FAO office in Wuhan city
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-9 10:57:37): Fine, you do that
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:57:37): and tell them whats kind of person youare
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:57:41): also
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-9 10:57:44): LOL be my guest
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:57:49): i will send to them the chat note from us
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-9 10:57:59): Good good I am sure they care
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-9 10:58:18): Mandy, are you on acid?
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-9 10:58:35): Good lord I new you had problems but I did not think they were this bad
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:58:42): the person like you
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:58:48): like lie to people
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:58:53): you should go back to US
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:58:58): and not stay here in China
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-9 10:58:59): No one is targeting you, and from what I rea don that site more then one person complained about you
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:59:10): i dont understand, you love money, and doesnt want to work for it
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:59:14): why u come to CHina
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-9 10:59:15): Yawn, are you done
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-9 10:59:22): I love to work,
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-9 10:59:30): you have some problems babe
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:59:37): the thing you are doing, only make Chinese people thinks America are not good
Mandy (2008-1-9 10:59:41): and this is not truth
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-9 10:59:46): do you make so much money that you can afford to treat teachers like this?
Mandy (2008-1-9 11:00:26): only cuase the kind of people like you,doing thing like this

hi,, looked all of this chat note,, he is name brian, he even not put his really name on it,, he wants me to make a fake degree for him, because i dont want to do it, and he says something like this.

Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:32:22): any luck?
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:32:33): no
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:33:03): no to what, no you can't get a simnple degree copy made or no you cant find a job in wuhan that accepts someone with a degree
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:33:42): I don't know what you do for a living, but I am sure you are not a recruiter for schools, I don't see how you place anyone to be honest with the snails pace you work at
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:33:55): i can get a simnple degree copy
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:34:06): then whats the problem
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:34:24): so far, i call all school i have in Wuhan city, and they told me, they can accept a teacher without degree
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:34:47): can or can't, I think you forgot a T
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:35:04): and if you can get a simple degree copy who cares if they can't?
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:35:39): I thinik it's too late though, you can't be trusted, you know how many job offers you have given me, only to tel me the school will not accept me, your like the boy who cried wolf
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:36:04): I mean really, word about you is all over the net, everyone knows who Mandy is, and to avoid her
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:37:10): Now, you can either be a big baby and sit there and not respond, which is your usual MO, or you can explain why you have had no luck.
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:38:12): Also tell me why I should trust you, because really, you don't follow through, have you read what others have said about you, would u like links to other FT's who have complained about you, there are many.
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:40:18): not i dont want respond
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:40:28): i am chatting with three people
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:44:36): Evem chatting with 3 people you should have been able to respond by now.
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:50:11): yes
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:50:38): i have to read your message and see whats the question
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:51:06): i am sorry, it was Cant
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:51:24): then why am I out of luck if you can get a adegree copy?
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:51:27): ok, if you think i cant be trusted
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:52:06): I think you are too slow to be trusted, where is the work, where is the degree copy, find me a school and have them hire me. Have you done anything that should make me trust you enough to pass on this other job?
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:52:12): i dont understand, why u put everything on me
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:52:20): if you have a degree, they will offer the jobs
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:52:25): because its your job doll
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:52:25): cause you dont have
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:52:32): do u understand
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:52:41): and how can i trusted u
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:52:45): ok, I really dont care, you don't want to make money thats your business
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:52:58): if anything worng, you would not tell on me
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:53:05): Lady you have promised me a dozen jobs over the past year, with none accepting me
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:53:12): I think that makes you incompetant
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:53:26): i have not read anything, about other say to me
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:53:33): You place 75 teachers a year, I don't believe that, maybe 25, and then you live off your husband
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:53:43): if u did, please let me where you read it
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:53:46): A rich husband I am sure
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:54:03): Nah, I will not let you know, your all over the net, but only in places expats know to look
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:54:09): i can get one
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:54:15): but i dont have at this moment
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:54:15): YOur even on sites you post ads on, but your not smart enough to know where to look on that site
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:54:21): how can i send to school
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:54:32): also,, i need changed your resume
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:54:43): well you should havge, sorry but we were talking about this a week and a half agom, why so slow?
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:54:48): cause, on your resume did not says you have a degree
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:55:04): Uh huh, that takes five minutes, the other takes a phone call
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:55:09): not everything can be done in a sec.
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:55:31): yes but it can be done in 2 weeks, thats hardly a second, so dont exaggerate
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:55:45): others have said the same, that you are slow, and promise positions that never actually happen
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:55:59): how do you stay in business, what do you really do for a living, it can't be this
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:58:08): slow is not the matter
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 9:58:20): sorry but your slow
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:58:23): u need make sure, everthing done will right
Mandy (2008-1-4 9:59:22): have u done anything, for me to trust u
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 10:00:20): Sorry but word is out about you. Noticed how your not getting so much work anymore? Thats why
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:00:43): how am i stay in business, i know,
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:00:48): you too push
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 10:01:01): ha ha ha ha ha, your too slow, I dont too push, and you know it
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:01:02): u like make a order
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 10:01:17): blah blah while you whine and complain about how its me your not doing your job
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:01:18): and i dont like the way you talk with me
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:01:23): now,its like this
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 10:01:24): always excusesw with you mandy
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:01:28): i need make your a degree
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:01:43): and this is kind of thing, i try to help u
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:01:47): not you help me
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:01:55): dont u understand this
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 10:01:59): Mandy, you had a chance to go into business with me a long time ago, and solve all your problems, but again, your too cautious and scared
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:02:00): and you make order to me
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:02:07): i dont like take order
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:02:08): ok
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:02:17): if you think, other agency can get a job for u
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:02:20): go to them
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 10:02:21): What do you care what I make as long as you get paid?
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:02:25): doesnt matter to me
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:02:35): i dont care about it
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 10:02:40): Thats your problem, you take your job personally
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:02:49): i dont care, about someone let me cheat on school
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 10:02:55): And this other agency, not only did they get me another jobh, but I start on Monday
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:03:02): and something i really dont feel is right thing to do
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:03:24): u say to me, you are not push
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 10:03:27): Let you cheat on schoo, Mandy, the whole ESL industry is one big cheat, and you want to pretend to have morales? LOL< no wonder your not doing well business wise, wake up
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:03:32): yesterday, u told me to make a degree
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:03:41): and i need to be done early of morning today
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:03:55): this is call push
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:04:00): and i dont have to do that
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:04:05): cause you are not my boss
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:04:47): i want we be friend not always business
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 10:04:54): Whatever, I asked I did not tell, your just to sensitive and maybe should find another job if you can't take demanding people. They are demanding because of how slow you move by the way, and how poorly you do your job.
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:04:55): friend helps friend
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:05:01): if its a business
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:05:07): i would not do the degree
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:05:26): cause i trust my friend
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 10:05:38): Then don't do it, do stay pure and don't ever cheat, LOL
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:05:38): not someone i just want to do the business
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 10:05:53): whatever Mandy, were done, your little tantrum is enough for me
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:07:43): dont u know, to make a fake degree, this is call breach law
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 10:07:48): You really don't know how things work here do you, and your Chinese, thats apalling. The Chinese wya of business is to lie and cheat. That is Chinese
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:08:03): i have to be watch out
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 10:08:12): whatever, I have to go, I have things to do, you have nothing to do, because your going out of business
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:08:22): this is part i dont understand
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:08:26): u have a job offer
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:08:32): why, u still want other one
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 10:08:49): why I still want other one? LOL because the pay is great
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:09:39): so.. all time
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:09:43): you talked with me
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:09:50): just try to make me up set
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 10:09:54): And because I am a great teacher and lack of a degree should not stop me from doing a better job then most
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:10:06): this is really good, i did not make a fake degree to u
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:10:17): cause,, you just like play a game
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:10:18): with me
Kenjutsu Kensei (2008-1-4 10:10:32): Yawn, mandy I have to go, no one is trying to make you upset, just give you a chance too make easy money and so I can satay in Wuhan. But you are "too" good to do it, thats fine, just say that. Good bye.
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:10:34): ok,, Brian, if you like play game, dont paly on me
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:10:37): thats yet
Mandy (2008-1-4 10:10:43): i am done with u

I think i know, why he wrote those kind of bad thing about me, cause he was asking me for make a fake degree for him to cheat on the school, and i did not do it, so he wrote that, and i have all chat message between me and him

Avoid Mandy the recruiter, AKA esl_sunny. This woman is one of the worse recruiters in Wuhan. She will send you to cities claiming there is a job waiting, but there is no job. "Oops, sorry, lemme find you something else."

This recruiter will lie, what a shock, and is only interested in one thing, money of course. She prefers to talk on yahoo messenger, look for a picture of an old man in a Santa Claus suit and a small Chinese woman. Thats Mandy, watch out for her. You have been warned.