For once I almost agree with you. I think we should listen to pros and cons without attacking all the pros..You....Dr. T..if you are a Dr. ? I hope so. You attacked me several years ago without any knowledge of who I am or what I do. I was in a conflict with ENGLISH GIBSON who said in a post that children should be knifed. He also went behind my back and worked out a contract with a crap company I worked for ....and then bitched and moaned what happened to him..he was a crappy teacher with a chip on his shoulder. I did all my best to help teachers at this school and I keep up on all the laws and regulations that affect foreigners working in China. I am just saying...if you are not here just relax a bit..perhaps you do not know what is going on. You keep saying that teachers need a Z visa to work. You are very wrong. A Z visa is only good for 30 days...then you must apply for a work permit. A work permit comes in many ways. I China you must go with the flow...I agree most schools will do anything to cheat and lie, But can not blame the staff..they have no idea. IF IT SOUNDS TOO GOOD>>>CRAP....