Help Needed
- 2018-04-23
How do you know that the Wuhan Chinaexpat is the same as Weast Education?
I am currently in Wuhan, trying to find a new job in this city if anyone has any suggestions for agents.
OompaLoompa
- 2018-03-29
They are also using different names on echinacities inclusing "Weast Education", "Wuhan something something"...
Camron
- 2018-03-29
I'm not sure if it's a scam, but they are full of promises but never match you with the job you want/they promise. Additionally, they keep changing their names on wechat, echinacities and so on. Obviously not a good sign. They also kind of insist on sending a passport, which always makes me suspicious.
OldForChina
- 2018-03-29
Here is a list of the staff of that agency that will screw you (source chinaexpat.cn "Contact us"). AVOID!!!
Existing Customer EnquiriesCooperating Enquiries
Consultant 8807 : Penny
Tel: 02787609599-8807 Phone:15926387886
E-mail:8807@esljob.com.cn
QQ: 2808275430
Skype:esljob2005 Wechat: chinaexpat8807
Consultant 8814 : Jane
Tel: 02787609599-8814 Phone:13971047570
E-mail:8814@chinaexpat.cn
QQ: 1650416952
Skype:chinaesl2000 Wechat: C13971047570
Consultant 8813 : Lilian
Tel: 02787609599-8813 Phone:13971439150
E-mail:8813@chinaexpat.cn
QQ: 780487020
Skype:henryesl2009 Wechat: chinaexpat8813
Consultant 8808 : Nicole
Tel: 02787609599-8808 Phone:13971621820
E-mail:8808@chinaexpat.cn
QQ: 994057734
Skype:chinaexpat8808 Wechat: chinaexpat8808
Consultant 8815 : Claire
Tel: 02787609599-8815 Phone:13971621820
E-mail:8815@chinaexpat.cn
QQ: 2984941476
Skype:chinaexpat8815 Wechat: chinaexpat8821
TheDude
- 2018-03-29
Please don't make fun of people who want to help others in foreign countries; there are not many these days with the ultra-right movements re-appearing in many Western countries. The fact is that agencies like Wuhan Chinaexpat are taking advantage of newbies by not providing the right work visas, exposing the newbies to an unsavory variety of problems starting with not having legal recourses against their employer and ending with imprisonment and deportation. You seem to have a lot of experience in China and you can probably avoid most pitfalls, but it's not the case with everybody so please do not distract us from the main issue here.
Watching
- 2018-03-29
I know for sure that a few teachers have asked the authorities (at 2 levels) to investigate.
Meanwhile, chaps, keep your distances.
Taffy
- 2018-03-29
Should a group of us, FTs, go to the PBS together? I would certainly make our case stronger.
You should do just that. The police in China have a reputation of caving in to groups of demonstrators. Group-power in China is all very reassuring. Hahaha! Give us the date so I can arrange for an Aussie to collect all your watches for safekeeping on the PSB steps.
ColleenChina
- 2018-03-29
We got to do something about this illegal visa scam.
NonVictim
- 2018-03-29
Should a group of us, FTs, go to the PBS together? I would certainly make our case stronger.
In the Know
- 2018-03-29
Yes, you should take matters in your own hand. But please be careful and think twice before doing anything.
Good luck!
What should one do?
- 2018-03-29
Thanks for the advice. You made me think that I can/have to control my own situation.
In the Know
- 2018-03-29
Do you think you can be a good teacher and make a difference if you are or feel under pressure because of your missing Z visa? I would doubt you can.
The school making your work under such circumstances also fails to show you the respect you deserve as a person with the work ethics you have and the efforts you make in the interest of your students.
Legally, you are not bound by any contract because of your lacking Z visa. That is, the residence and work permit to be issued on the basis of your Z visa within 30 days after arrival. Immigration and the PSB are not very nice when they find you working illegally. You may either face heavy fines, jail or deportation or in the worst case all of that.
If you get contradictory and confusing messages about your legal status, then it means the Chinese won't admit that there are real problems. They are always like that in such cases and won't tel you directly.
You can do one of these two things: either doing a runner and get out of China asap. Or you try to convince them to do the necessary paperwork so that you can go to HK to apply for a Z visa.
But I keep getting confusing replies when I ask about my residence permit.
By the grace of God, what should I do?
caring
- 2018-03-29
Hey doc, can you provide some actual source that HK does NOT provide Z visas for FT applicants to mainland China?
Z visas do not just 'arrive'. They are placed into your passport at China's consulates and embassies OVERSEAS. Hong Kong and Macau no longer provide this service. With rare exception you must arrive in person to request this service in the country of the passport that you hold.You are now breaking the law by working illegally in China. As several complicit posters have commented, the risk of discovery is variable, depending on the location in which you work and your employer's criminal competency and 'quanxi'.
You can prepare for being arrested by saving the money that you need to buy a ticket home. Document your communication with your 'agent' by recording conversations and saving correspondence from them that pertains to their activities in providing your employment and misinforming you about your legal status. This may be valuable when the police are determining how to proceed with your fine, deportation or incarceration.
The only way to repair your illegal status is to leave China and acquire a Z visa by legal methods in your home country.
FTinPRC
- 2018-03-29
Z visas do not just 'arrive'. They are placed into your passport at China's consulates and embassies OVERSEAS. Hong Kong and Macau no longer provide this service. With rare exception you must arrive in person to request this service in the country of the passport that you hold.
You are now breaking the law by working illegally in China. As several complicit posters have commented, the risk of discovery is variable, depending on the location in which you work and your employer's criminal competency and 'quanxi'.
You can prepare for being arrested by saving the money that you need to buy a ticket home. Document your communication with your 'agent' by recording conversations and saving correspondence from them that pertains to their activities in providing your employment and misinforming you about your legal status. This may be valuable when the police are determining how to proceed with your fine, deportation or incarceration.
The only way to repair your illegal status is to leave China and acquire a Z visa by legal methods in your home country.
What should one do?
- 2018-03-29
I already started working for a school where Wuhan Chinaexpat HR placed me.
I do not have a Z visa. And despite my desire to make a positive difference at this school, be the best teacher I can and improve my students' English, I don't think a Z visa will come any time soon because I keep getting confusing messages. The school administrators are very polite, they always have something encouraging to say and the children are nice and eager to learn. But I keep getting confusing replies when I ask about my residence permit.
By the grace of God, what should I do?
OldForChina
- 2018-03-29
Folks, be prudent with this agency. They can get you in deep shit. Their job offers mention (example at link below) that they provide work visas but surprise!!! they never mention the only work visa that is legal for a teacher in China: Z visa.
You know what happens if you are caught teaching with the wrong visa, right? Arrested, put in jail, deported, blacklisted and prevented from returning to China for 5 years.
Would "Wuhan Chinaexpat HR Co. LTD" help you with that? Nawwww.
Would they be penalized? Depends on their connections. But one thing is for sure, they keep doing it, they keep offering jobs.
BeenThere
- 2018-03-29
You know the impact that the #MeToo campaign is having?
When all the teachers who have bad experiences with bad recruiters post all the info they have on all the relevant websites out there, it's called exposure. Bad things can't live under exposure (think Dracula). That's how it works.
Brock The Badger
- 2018-03-29
It's time to stop the bad recruiters.
No sooner the word than the blow, eh? I bet Mr Trump would kill to have you on his team. What's your strategy, if I may make so bold. Be all done and dusted bar the shouting by next autumn?
BeenThere
- 2018-03-29
It's time to stop the bad recruiters. Let's do the equivalent of a #MeToo for bad recruiters, a "Let's expose bad recruiters". The more info is provided, the better teachers can avoid the bad recruiters' traps in the future.
Teaching China's website: http://teachingchina.net/
Contact info provided on their website:
Limited Registered Company within Hong Kong SAR, China
TeachingChina.net is a legal entity registered in Hong Kong
Registered Address: Office 1801, The Lee Gardens, Causeway Bay, Hong Kong
Copyright Teaching China.net 2013. (EALicense No:C-034141)
Office (Guangzhou): +86(0)20-85218502
Telephone: +86(0)20-37303381
Skype: findworkabroad3
Their contact seems to be a Mark Manning. Who is this guy? A Chinese disguised as an American? Any info anybody?
On their website, they often refer to this other website; they seem to be partners, or the same group (imagine how much "bait and switch" they can do with all these names?)
Find Work Abroad:
Website: http://china.findworkabroad.com
Address: Tian he Commerical Building, Zhong Shan Da Dao Xi 6-8, Tian He, Guangzhou, China
Type: Agent
Observer
- 2018-03-29
Another name they use is "Teaching China"
I will post other names later as I want to expose the worst Chinese recruiters
usaburn
- 2018-03-29
I dealt with them once but I dropped them as soon as they offered me a job that was totally unrelated to what I was asking/needed: wrong location, wrong student level, wrong start date, horrible apartment (from the pics they sent me - I have a kid and needed a clean/decent apartment).
In a few words: a shameless BAIT AND SWITCH agency. Why lose your time with scum like that?
Silverboy
- 2018-03-29
Thanks for this info: I knew about them but only in Wuhan. One thing you mentioned is that these people can use your personal information for all sort of sinister purposes.
One of these is identity theft and an FT could have various debts incurred in their name and also be charged with criminal activities they had nothing to do with. Those mobile numbers are all from Wuhan as far as I know, 1397 is a Wuhan mobile prefix to my knowledge or was when I was there. I will try and find out more about these individuals.
NeverTwice
- 2018-03-29
And here is the info about their website http://www.chinaexpat.cn
Contact: 376213770@qq.com
Their website is hosted in Zhejiang - Hangzhou by Aliyun Computing Co. Ltd
NeverTwice
- 2018-03-29
Beware, they use many names. One of their sites is http://www.chinaexpat.cn where you will find the list of their scammers. Any of these pieces of shit will get your confidential info, use it for purposes that you know nothing about, try to lure you to China, screw you a dozen times until you do a runner, and you will end up losing thousands of $ and hating anything Chinese for the rest of your life:
Consultant 8807 : Penny
Tel: 02787609599-8807 Phone:15926387886
E-mail:8807@esljob.com.cn
QQ: 2808275430
Skype:esljob2005 Wechat: chinaexpat8807
Consultant 8814 : Jane
Tel: 02787609599-8814 Phone:13971047570
E-mail:8814@chinaexpat.cn
QQ: 1650416952
Skype:chinaesl2000 Wechat: C13971047570
Consultant 8813 : Lilian
Tel: 02787609599-8813 Phone:13971439150
E-mail:8813@chinaexpat.cn
QQ: 780487020
Skype:henryesl2009 Wechat: chinaexpat8813
Consultant 8808 : Nicole
Tel: 02787609599-8808 Phone:13971621820
E-mail:8808@chinaexpat.cn
QQ: 994057734
Skype:chinaexpat8808 Wechat: chinaexpat8808
Consultant 8815 : Claire
Tel: 02787609599-8815 Phone:13971621820
E-mail:8815@chinaexpat.cn
QQ: 2984941476
Skype:chinaexpat8815 Wechat: chinaexpat8821
Silverboy
- 2018-03-29
It is well known scam in Hubei province. Keep away!
Was briefly in touch with a Chinese recruitment agency called Wuhan Chinaexpat.
They sound so unconvincing...
Website seems to be cips.antianfan.com
Scam? Or real?