In other words, you don't know anything about Web but are perfectly willing to express an opinion about it. If you read my original post, I stated that Web, like all private centers (and universities), has problems. Yet, despite it's problems, the students (at the center where I worked) learned English. Many of them were quite happy with the instruction they received. You can't please everyone.

Ha ha! You compare a company, whose sales people are sometimes dishonest, to rapists and murderers. Then suggest MY logic is lacking! Your sense of proportion is what is lacking.

Can you tell me why it appears that certain posters make an inordinate number of contributions on this board? It doesn't matter which thread, nor the topic; the same posters denigrate everyone and everything, complete with stupid crocodile references. Is it possible "crocodile" is a euphemism for "Levi lizard", and that poster is flying solo with his reptilian companion every night? I'd rather spend my evening with a beautiful Chinese girl than a crocodile.

These posters have an extraordinary amount of time to scan this site looking for new posts to attack. My own theory is that without the requisite social skills, personal grooming habits, or attractiveness, it's impossible for them to engage in the standard pursuits of drinking in bars and chasing (and catching) beautiful Chinese girls. Maybe they're actually still in the UK, living in their brother-in-law's basement, vicariously (but jealously) experiencing China through those of us making friends, seeing the sights, and enjoying ourselves in this amazing country.

You've posted a lot on this site, so you're obviously an expert in all things ESL. What's your opinion about these people?

I'd post a longer response, but I've got to meet with some local hotties right now. If the goons play nice, perhaps I'll put up some photos for them to salivate over.

I'm English but not all posters on this site are British. I gather you're American, either that or you know not how to spell. Turnoi whom you viciously attack is certainly not from the UK.

I can't make head or tail of you, you tell us that, no, Web are not good employers (which means they're bad) You say they tell outrageous lies when soliciting new students. It would seem to me that we are justified in warning would- be FT's from going that way. Now, the point I think you're trying to make is there are worse schools around- why you want to prove the obvious is beyond me, of course there must be; however, in your own words they[Web] are bad employers; whereas, generally speaking, establishments such as universities are good employers, where you'll work fewer hours for a better hourly rate of pay if you bother to do your sums- more paid holidays etceteras.........and..and, more time to chase those girls and to learn Mandarin; however, be careful, young man, you use the word catch, so try and not catch more than you bargain for.

An FT job in China is not a proper job. An FT in China is not a proper teacher. An FT in China should not be working 30-40 hours a week for a measily 10,000 RMB, when 5000 RMB for 15 hours a week in a university, holidays paid for , your flat, internet (desktop supplied) paid for, will give you a better hourly rate of pay, and you stand a much better chance of leaving China without a bad taste in your mouth. If we can (and we have) save a few FT's from a bad experience at a rubbish traing centre (any training centre) then crocodiles and all, we are doing a worthwhile job. There are many training centres who try and undermine our efforts, getting FT's to do the job for them is quite usual. Good Morning.