Oh dear (yet again!)

I love this thread man!! all the trolls have come out to play and make themselves look stupider by the post:)

Sparrow - I was really shocked to find out that you needed to have a good working relationship with a company to get a good reference from them. And there was me, thinking that you had to treat them like crap to get some good words from them - maybe that's because I'm "special":) Secondly I would say again that I had my reference sent by Shane School Kunming to my university with no problem at all - and believe me I had my fair share of "chats" with the management over "issues". So I keep thinking why you either assert that you have been denied a reference, or if you really have, why? An HR buddy of mine told me that he would quietly tell some people to not bother putting the company down for a reference, as it would be so crappy due to terrible performance, that it would kill any application dead in the water. Maybe that's what character assignation is, but I am one of the "special" kids so what do I know?:) I agree with mynd i ffwrdd (dude, did you have a seizure when you were writing your name!!) Open references aren't worth the paper they are written on - bland pieces of cr@p that say nothing because the school either doesn't want to offend the teacher or if they are cr@ppy then the teacher just throws them away.

Turnoi - "that makes me really wondering" - you come on here all holier than thou, and that's what you write - shame on you:) Last time I checked the verb "to wonder" is stative and cannot be used in this context. Great advert for whatever crappy little middle/senior school or university you are at. [edited]. I worked at a university and left because it was full of old farts who loved the sound of their own voice droning on and on while most of their students slept because they couldn't or wouldn't understand what was going on. [edited]. Now I know that's a sweeping generalization and I don't know you personally (thank God), or the full facts about you or your place or work, but you seem to be of the mind that it's ok for you to do the same thing about everyone and everything else so take a little of your own medicine. The sad thing is that I would agree with you about the fact that most training centers are shady places to work, but some are pretty good (Shane Kunming leans towards the latter, but not 100% all the way there). Shane was so "crappy" that it offered to pay for my CELTA, gave regular training and feedback and even covered my classes from time to time so I could go and watch more experienced teachers to learn something from them

San Migs - You bother working for 5500 and an apartment, or think that's "respectable"? I was earning about 60-70% more than that by the time I left Shane, and from reading some of your posts on other threads it just backs up my opinion of you - a [edited] who settles for minimum money for minimum work - way to inspire your students and colleagues. I can't wait for the trollish replies from you and [edited] Turnoi, so [edited] and bring it on:)

So the last thing I would like to say, is that I find it interesting that with the exception of Sparrow (who my serving colleague at the school says is laughed at and treated with contempt), everyone who has at least supported the school a little has actually worked there and done the hours, whereas all the detractors have no idea about the actual situation and resort to sweeping generalizations that have no basis in fact about the place in the slightest - moral and intellectual pygmies!! If you worked there and slammed the place then fair enough, but otherwise.......................this is the point when the trolls come back with something like "I don't have to work there to know it's a crappy place blah, blah, blah", which is another way of saying "I don't know what I am talking about so I will just say something offensive"