If we bash china and we're still living there, we're called hypocrites.

If we criticize and we're not living there, we're questioned by how much "experience" we're supposed to have.

Just can't win sometimes.

I wonder if any of these older men ever bothered to learn chinese from someone who is from said background. You will find plenty living in western countries these days and from their parents and relatives you can get learn just as much about chinese stuff as you would if you lived in china. None of the expats I ever met in china (even if they spoke mandarin) ever cared about completely giving up their own western habits. I don't think I need to tell anyone who has lived there long enough if you'll ever live to see the day when locals treat you like a local.

Happy Holidays to all.