In response to Re: chinese visas, Owen Buckland, Buckland Group, Yangshuo China (foxy)

If you have a bonafide degree, you needn't work for Owen Buckland and the like if you don't want to. You're absolutely right, but rightly or wrongly those without bachelor's degrees have limited choices, and some may end up working for Owen's agency. I believe Buckland is a mean outfit compared to other agents here. Still, you makes your choice and takes your chance! Gainful employment in China beats loafing around on the dole in the west.

I'm going to have to disagree with you, Foxy..........but only because of your understatement;ha ha ha; it doesn't merely beat loafing around on the dole in the West, it beats it hands down. Working as an FT in China also beats the pants off of doing a mundane fairly well paid job in the West. Look at the advantages, the girls are ravishing, cheap to maintain and exeedingly compliant, the work is easy and you don't have to be an academic to do oral English, the food is(and I must use a euphemism here, en fin pour moi) hen hao chi(which I think means cheap,) the people are easy enough to get on with. God, what more can you ask for?