I have just spent a little over an hour reading this entire thread from the point of my original post. (Yes, I'm aware I have too much time on my hands during the summer break!)

I challenge you to do the same and if Turnoi, Silverboy or Concerned Teacher can do that and then say in all honesty they think they have presented the more rational, informed, sensible arguments, then I will walk away from this board and never return.

However, if they are being honest with themselves (if not the public world of the internet) I think they will find from reading this through in it's chronological entirety, that they have been rude, childish, ignorant and contradictory throughout.

I'm in no doubt that they will refuse to do this, or will assert they don't need to as they already know. But the truth is there in black and white lads, and unfortunately for you, anybody who can read can see it.