Thanks for the lengthy response. I enjoyed reading all of it. Certainly ethics and morals cannot be defined by only people who do or don't marry, or do or don't believe in religion. We can look at the personal behavior of people who eventually come out of the wood work with their real agendas. For me, I was an idealist and romanticist in my early twenties although that ended real quick after I started working overseas. Now, I have shifted positions in many ways, ways that I myself would not have believed if you had told my younger self. I realize my life experience can seem unique compared to others, but certainly I will change for the good. Not everyone can say that about themselves. You are the model of consistency on this forum. O'Shei and I can be your wingmen. I hope John doesn't mind me speaking on his behalf like that.