1) AvidBoxerRebel) On average an English teacher might make 8000-12,000 yuan a month.

Reply) KISQ offers 16000 on average. What are [edited]

2) AvidBoxerRebel)It can be far less than that but if someone hustles working 6 and 7 days a week (night classes, moonlighting, private tutoring jobs) they max out around 16,000.

Reply) A pointless example when compared to KISQ, If KISQ teachers choose to work privately they can earn 200 RMB an hour minimum and can earn over 20,000. With the cost of housing being roughly 3,000. KISQ teachers can save quite easily, i think. A pointless example.

3) AvidBoxerRebel) Keep in mind someone might make 20,000 in Shanghai because of many opportunities but then are paying Shanghai prices.

Reply) What are you jibbering about, this is Qingdao not Shanghai. Lol

4) AvidBoxerRebel) 10,000 Yuan. now you see many many schools are quietly removing things like airfare bonuses or company paid insurance or travel expenses etc.

Reply) Its up to the schools to offer airfare bonuses and teachers to sign contracts that don't offer them. [edited]

5) AvidBoxerRebel) Now remember to remove at least 1000 from that from skimming, scamming, fleecing, gaming, tricking and cheating the foreign English teacher. Things like insisting they were late for classes or insisting a holiday turned their wages into 'part-time wages' and all sorts of little scams.

Reply) Again the statement above is nonsense. Scamming and cheating may have gone on in the past,but if you have a proper visa and expert certificate, you are protected by the Chinese government. Foreigners should be made aware that their employers may break the law and the employee is most likely protected by Chinese (Depending on the crime) .Employers are supposed to offer foreigners the same benefits the Chinese are offered, e.g Pensions and medical insurance with a monthly credited medical card. Again be careful of your employers. Another pointless remark by Avid Boxer rebel as this does not take place in KISQ,

6) AvidBoxerRebel) Now keep in mind many foreign teachers might have to pay 3 and I've even heard 4 months rent up-front. Foreigners can't get things like monthly payments on scooters or cars or other things Chinese citizens can work out. They may need to buy things like WIFI boxes and pay for a full year of internet to get started (1,000) and then more money for all sorts of visa issues, resident tasks.

Reply) [edited] He must have just graduated recently or something. Struggling are you for cash. I pay 1 month rent every month or pay 4 months in a row equals the same [edited]. You mentioned monthly payments on scooters or cars. lol. I dont see many foreigners riding bikes or driving cars. They probably take the bus or a taxi. [edited]

7) AvidBoxerRebel) By the time you sort that out you really just have enough to cover basic living, a few treats now and then (like expensive Western food that will be ruined by cooks who don't know what a pizza is meant to be) or perhaps a little trip somewhere. The foreigner is probably still having to attend things back home. Perhaps taxes, car payments at home. So those RMB translate into next-to-nothing in dollars/pounds etc.

Reply) [edited] Then he talks about about attending taxes and car payments back home. What kind of life do you live to where you need to make car payments back home. Please elaborate [edited]

8) AvidBoxerRebel) So it is absolutely impossible a large population of the English teacher in China are there for financial gain. If they foolishly went there for that false dream they sure stop a month or two later!!

Reply) What tends to happen, is that teachers think that walking into a classroom is enough but it simply isnt. They then realise that they can be paid 200 RMB an hour and once they start earning that, they think see it as easy money, when actually they are doing nothing to earn it, other that walk into a classroom as a native speaker. In an ESL classroom, it may be fine, but students who care, can tell if a teacher is prepared or not. Then students tend to lose respect for those particular teachers. In a REAL SCHOOL a teacher needs a real plan which is designed for the needs of individuals and their personal development.

I could go on, but you have wasted enough of my time. I couldn't be asked to go through all your ridiculous points. I do suggest to "Listen more, speak less". [edited]. [edited]. [edited].