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Zaowch - 2017-01-26
In response to Re: Re Be Careful of KISQ in Qingdao (Arthur)

He probably thought he was clever to do that and nobody would notice how he changed the truth halfway through.

But even more baffling is he writes:

An extremely large population of the English teachers in China are really only out there for their financial gain. They tend to put very little effort in their class preparation if not none.

Later he will insist there is some worthwhile financial gain for those who spend years in China, only agree to sign solid contracts, obey rules, work and hustle 6 or 7 days a week and put in long days etc.

But he is even suggesting this extremely large population of English teachers in financial gain are also the ones putting little or no effort into class preparation!

Of course, I suppose nobody knows what he means by "extremely large population" but I can tell you this:

I've criss-crossed China and I'd guesstimate meeting 1000 different foreign English teachers by now. Some are 5 minute chats on a bus and of course others I've known for years and so on.

-There are a handful who've married in China, the wife or husband opened their own training center and yes they have made some worthwhile money. More than they could make back home.

- I can think of just a few people who made somewhere around 20,000 maximum. One guy was very impressive and swore he would never do it again. He did it in order to leave China as quickly as possible. He was a master of timing. He explained an almost flawless series of schools, night jobs, private homes, how he worked like a 'scientists' (id say a mathematician) to perfect scheduling and then worked 9 hours a day 7 days a week for a year straight. He was able to save $20,000 USD in a year.

You won't find many of those. Those also have drop-off months too (Spring Festival for example) and that is very very difficult to do in most cases since scheduling and travel time can dictate hours. Even if you wanted to do 9 classes a day it might be impossible to arrange.

Yep, some of us have signed reasonably comfortable contracts, work extra hours, take side-jobs and after a few years have figured out the ins-and-outs and can clock in somewhere around 15000 a month. That's also 6 or 7 days a week though not always 8 hours days. I think that is around $2000 USD (last i checked??).

Here again, some get sweet deals on apartments, living expenses but I live a pretty humble existence and at least half of that is necessary for food, clothes, travel, rent, basic expenses.

and now to MOST. The 'extremely large population'. Whether it was in Beijing, Guangzhou, Zhengzhou, Hangzhou whatever Zhou and from 1st to '10th tier' I see most are making their cities equivalent of about 8000 or 10,000 a month.

In other words, that might be 16,000 in Shanghai but everything is more expensive. Or they might be making 6,000 in NaleZhou Town but there its quite cheap to live.

One of the problems with the internet?
I'm not saying this website but in general?

Every time I visit them I see a dozen posts with people chortling and laughing and insisting they can easily make 20,000 RMB or every other internet poster swears they know lots of guys making 30K and 40K teaching English etc.

Where are they in real life? Oh, I'm sure there are some. But if the WuMoa seriously believes its anything near an 'extremely large population' he is absolutely deluded!

The vast majority must have some other reasons to stay in China. If they wanted to hustle 7 days a week, work smart and put in a few years of training then holy hell they can definitely do that in the USA or other Western Countries.

My neighbor back home, already 36 years old, two kids etc. He lost his job and for a year worked at both McDonalds and Wendy's! He'd arrange schedules and put in two 6 hour shifts a day. Now, someone will say 'That's sad" but in fact he was earning more money than 16,000 RMB a month.

You wouldn't want to put in two 6 hour shifts a day 7 days a week like he did. Having said that, spend 8 hours a day 7 days a week rushing from kindergartens to middle schools, traveling China's roads, dealing with visas, enduring smells and noises and then trying to put up with ridiculous 'managers' who's goal in life is to sabotage and derail the foreign English teacher. That is not a delightful easy job either folks!

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Re Be Careful of KISQ in Qingdao -- Ammmuzed -- 2017-02-01
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